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JamesRussell
Hello,
Need a little assistance, if it's not too much trouble. I am looking for any record of my son's great grand mother. I guess she was dropped on this earth by aliens.

What I know.

Anne Z. Shephard. B. 3 May 1895, Utah, USA -- d. 29 Dec 1967, Edmonds, Snohomish, Washington, USA -- burried 2 Jan 1968, Seattle, King, Washington, USA, Evergreen-Washelli Cemetery.

married Carl Langston Donaldson about 1919 -- listed on the 1920 and 1930 US Census in Seattle, King, Washington, USA -- listed in the 1923 Seattle City Directory. Had 3 sisters - Barbara and two unknown. Barbara later married _____ Friberg and was once livng in Ft. Bragg, CA. Had one daughter (still living) in 1921 and one son (deceased) in 1925.

I can not find any mention of them or parents before the 1920 census. If it's possible I would like to find what planet them were dropped off from.

Thank you for any asistance.
JamesRussell
Shanifaye
Im slightly confused as to who exactly you're looking for? is it Barbara?
thecohens
Also, if you have the census pages, they should say where everyone listed, as well as their parents, were born. Where did you get the limited census information that you have? I'll check the free resources at rootsweb for death index info on Barbara, on assumption maiden name was Shephard and married name Friberg.
thecohens
Okay, since Barbara lived in Calif I looked in the Calif Death Index at:

http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi

I found a BARBARA M FRIBERG born 11/10/1888 apparently in CANADA, who died in HUMBOLDT county on 04/28/1973.

Checkin Social Sec death index at

http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi

I find two Barbara Fribergs. One born 16 Jul 1938, who died in Jul 1978, and obtained her social security card in New Jersey.

The other is the one who died in California, apparently in Arcata.

Is this who you are looking for?

JamesRussell
O.K. I will admit I probley mucked this up. I am looking for Anne Z. Shephard. If I find Anne on a census there should be her sister with her. Anne was born in Utah, Father in Maine, mother in Canada.

Anne was born in Utah in 1895.

On the 1920 and 1930 census she is listed by her husbands name. So what I would like to find is Anne on the 1900 census with her sister Barbara or on the 1910 census with her husband Carl L. Donaldson.

JamesRussell
Gerrie
Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
Name: Donaldson, Carl
County: Portland
Death Date: 9 May 1938
Certificate: 1533
Spouse: Anna



Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000. Original data: State of Oregon. Oregon Death Index, 1903-1998. Salem, OR, USA: Oregon State Archives and Records Center.
not sure if I am on the right track.
Gerrie
1. Anne Z. SHEPHARD was born 3 MAY 1895 in Ogden, Weber County, Utah, and died 29 DEC 1967 in Edmonds, Snohomish County, Washington. She was buried 2 JAN 1968 in Seattle, King County, Washington. She married Carl Langston DONALDSON ABT 1920 in Seattle, King County, Washington. He was born 11 APR 1879 in Burlington, Coffey County, Kansas, and died 23 AUG 1949 in Fort Lewis, Pierce County, Washington. He was buried 25 AUG 1949 in Seattle, King County, Washington.

Children of Anne Z. SHEPHARD and Carl Langston DONALDSON are: + 2 i. Dolores A. DONALDSON was born 1921 in Seattle, King County, Washington.
+ 3 ii. Carl Lowell DONALDSON was born 27 APR 1925 in Seattle, King County, Washington, and died 17 MAR 2003 in Seattle, King County, Washington.
4 iii. Robert L. DONALDSON.
5 iv. Ruth DONALDSON.





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Descendant Register, Generation No. 2

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2. Dolores A. DONALDSON (Anne Z. SHEPHARD1) was born 1921 in Seattle, King County, Washington. She married Kenneth CURRY.

Children of Dolores A. DONALDSON and Kenneth CURRY are: 6 i. Living CURRY.
7 ii. Living CURRY.




3. Carl Lowell DONALDSON (Anne Z. SHEPHARD1) was born 27 APR 1925 in Seattle, King County, Washington, and died 17 MAR 2003 in Seattle, King County, Washington. He married Joan C. HOLLIS.

Children of Carl Lowell DONALDSON and Joan C. HOLLIS are: 8 i. Living DONALDSON.
9 ii. Living DONALDSON.



thecohens
Wow, Gerri, where did you find that beautiful info? Is it in your family tree? Or did you just now put it together special?

Very cool...
Shanifaye
To move queries posted in another thread
JamesRussell
Hello Gerrie,
In post #7 which begins - 1. Anne Z. SHEPHARD was born 3 MAY 1895 in Ogden... is actually correct except that Carl Langston Donaldson was married before Anne and that union produced Robert and Ruth.

So I actually have everything you said but I still don't have any account of Anne before the 1920 Census. And try as I may, nothing seems to be available to me. From the 1920 Census I know Anne's father was born in Maine and Anne's mother was born in Canada.

What I am really trying to find out is who are Anne's mother and father and other possible sisters.

I really appreciate your effort and as Elivs would say, "Thank you, Thank you very much!"
JamesRussell
Shanifaye
ok, I was waiting on you to respond to Gerries stuff before I started looking for anything to see if anymore help was needed.

I will try to look for some info for you...

word of warning though, and this goes to everyone PLEASE remember that you cannot take the places born on a census as gospel. Im sure MANY of use can quote you census records that have different information there for the same person in each census year. I know for a fact that one person I research is listed as being born in 3 dif states (and his parents states vary as well) so please make sure you have another source for where they were born before you believe the census is 100% right.
Shanifaye
Do you have any idea what the Z stands for?
JamesRussell
Hello,
While I am not totally positive, my wife believes Anne's middle name is Zara. Where or how she got a name like that is beyond me. Might have an interesting history, you never know.

JamesRussell
Shanifaye
well there are a lot of shephards (various spellings there of) in utah in 1900 and 1910...loads of them are either swedish or danish and the female Z name I keep running into is Zena so I thought I'd check
JamesRussell
Believe me, I am fully aware of the Shepherds in Utah. I grabbed ahold of the Annie that was B F's daughter and ran with it back to Sweden and 1635. I had added 38 names to my databass before I realized that the Annie I was following died in Cailf. Oops, wrong one.

That might be why I am having so much trouble. I keep following the wrong link. Utah has death certs online and I was using them. The one person that might know is Anne's daughter. But she is now 86, in frail health and can't remember. She recently had a stroke. I really hate to say this but I might find out more when she passes on.

I tried Familysearch.org and they gave me the International Genealogical Index. That's where I found the rest of the Shepherd's. Oh, well. I'll keep plugging along.

Thanks for your help.
JamesRussell
Shanifaye
I was trying to figure out if her mother might have been a zena or zina and we could look that way because Im having no luck at all with anne (ann or annie) or barbara lol
Shanifaye
I dont know if it would be worth the 27 dollars for you, but I found her on the ssdi and if you sent off for her application its might have her parents names on them, Im not sure when when she applied for it so I dont know what year to find an application from to see if that was a question they asked at the time

Shanifaye
ok....she applied in the 1955-1956 year, I cant find an application yet for those specific years, but ones before and after that asked for the parents names....so that would be the way I'd go. Death certs so often dont have that info, or its wrong because the informant may not have possesed the information....on a SS application, the person filled it out themselves and most of the time they SHOULD know their parents names lol
Gerrie
QUOTE(thecohens @ Oct 30 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]2938[/snapback]

Wow, Gerri, where did you find that beautiful info? Is it in your family tree? Or did you just now put it together special?

Very cool...

nope I am a night owl since I can not sleep ( a lot of real life problems right now) anywho I found this on ancestry library addition .
JamesRussell
Yes know I could get the SSA information. But like you said that costs $27.00. Washington State Death Cert. is $17.00. I am really tempted but still can't afford it.

Money (or lack of) is the main reason I try to do things the way I am. When I was gainfully employed I sent $12.00 to the state of Montana and all I got back was a Thank you for the 12 bucks. I am not creap or frugal, just poor.

JamesRussell
Shanifaye
ok I will keep trying to dig then!!!
thecohens
If anyone reading this thread wants to apply for someone's original SSec applic, I recall reading somewhere, probably on this board wink.gif, that you have to tell them you want copies of the original records or they'll end up just sending a computer printout for your big bucks.
Duane
James, Anne Shephard and Carl Donaldson come into my research on my mother's side of the family. In all your postings you state you are looking for your son's great grandmother, just how do you fit into this lineup, are you married into the Donaldson line?

Please email me directly and we can see just what we have and where we have looked and maybe we can work together on putting more of this line together. I have received help from Jim McGrath (I think the spelling is correct), as he is also from this Donaldson line, do you know him?

My email address is pelldp@msn.com. I look forward to hearing back from you, until then.

Duane
Shanifaye
I have looked every way I can think of in 1900 and 1910 I cant find her.....I found the person that posted above me on Ancestry last nite and asked him to come over and contact you because he was doing the same family and his info had her SS info and sourced an obit and some other stuff.

Im sorry I couldnt find more for you!!!
JamesRussell
Hello,
I have her SSA info. Only her SSA#. I also have her obit and I have a picture of her headstone. Try as I might, I just can't find any other info. I guess I'll let this one go for awhile.

Thank you all, for everything.

JamesRussell
thecohens
James, if you are still reading, if you know where she was buried, you might also try contacting whoever is maintaining the cemetary records where she is buried. If you are lucky, they might tell you who paid for the burial and give you their address and other information.
JamesRussell
Anne was laid to rest next to her husband, Carl L., who preceeded her 18 years. She did marry a Canadian, Homer Williams, after Carl died but she divorced him and retained the Donaldson name. She is currently located at Evergreen-Washelli cemetery in Seattle, WA.

Thank you for your help.
JamesRussell
Gerrie
Since she was American and she married and Candian is it possible there is immigration papers somewhere you can look up?
JamesRussell
Gerrie,
Thank you for your reply, but Anne was born in Utah, her first husband Carl was born in Kansas. Anne had a second husband and while I am sure someone cares about him, I don't. He's just a footnote to me.

One the other hand it was Anne's mother that was born in Canada, while Anne's father was born in Maine. Since I don't know either of there names, I can't ckeck for immigration papers.

I am still thinking I am going to have to bite the bullet and purchase a death cert. Oh Well, hobbies can be expensive. Have a great November everyone.
JamesRussell

Gerrie
QUOTE(JamesRussell @ Oct 31 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]2963[/snapback]

She did marry a Canadian, Homer Williams, after Carl died but she divorced him and retained the Donaldson name. JamesRussell


QUOTE
Thank you for your reply, but Anne was born in Utah, her first husband Carl was born in Kansas. Anne had a second husband and while I am sure someone cares about him, I don't. He's just a footnote to me.

One the other hand it was Anne's mother that was born in Canada, while Anne's father was born in Maine. Since I don't know either of there names, I can't ckeck for immigration papers.

I am still thinking I am going to have to bite the bullet and purchase a death cert. Oh Well, hobbies can be expensive. Have a great November everyone.

That is what I was talking about I am sure he is not important to you however the immigration application (if there is in fact one) where she would of had to list her children siblings and parents

Shanifaye
I dont understand how Homer's immigration application would pertain to anything? She more than likely met him in the states so why would his application have anything to do with her on it?
thecohens
You mentioned never hearing back when you wrote for some other certificate on someone else.

Just make sure you get the date of death and county and state off of some official source like the SSDI or state death index and you should be all right.

Another option for finding where she was is to look her and hubby up in city directories in likely locations. You can do it yourself for your own town or online at http://DistantCousin.com/Links/Surname.html

Of course, the best way is to get someone to check city directories for every year just before and after the target dates. I had a cousin just do this for me at Oakland City Library and she found our great-grandparents address for 1910 who weren't showing 1910 census. Ancestry has city dir. but only for around 1890 pretty much.
Gerrie
QUOTE(Shanifaye @ Nov 1 2007, 06:55 AM) [snapback]2967[/snapback]

I dont understand how Homer's immigration application would pertain to anything? She more than likely met him in the states so why would his application have anything to do with her on it?

But how do we know she met him in the states, or even if she did that he was not " visiting". We cant assume anything, it is just a path James can look into.
Steph
What you really need/...is more advice..

Aside from that..what you need is someone who lives in the county where she died. You might find one of them on the Genweb site for that county. Ask them if they will go and look at a death certificate for you. I do that here in Pike and they let me make copies for a quarter and I just charge that and the postage for people. There is probably someone who will do it for you. Can't hurt to ask. ANything is better than $17 just to get info. If you should call the county and ask...and make it clear you do NOT need a certified copy..you only want one for genealogy purposes they might do it cheaper than $17 for you.

STeph
JamesRussell
Hello Steph,
I actually live in the county were she died and was buried. I was downtown on some other business when I had to get a birth cert. I had to fill out a form and found out that birth and death certs for the State of Washington are now $20.00. I told the woman I didn't need a certified copy and she said they are all certified and that was that. I asked about a State of Washington death register and had to explain what I was looking for was a list of who died when. She said she was not aware that the state had one.

Like I said, hobbies can be expensive. It looks like the only way I will know who her parents were is to buy a birth cert. The woman at the courthouse did tell me one thing that I thought was great. I asked if there was a restriction on who's cert I could get. Could I do a 1st cousin 3 times removed or would I have to show some relation. She said if I knew the info and they were born or died in the state, I could get anyones birth or death cert.

Now, where is my LOTTO ticket?

JamesRussell
Shanifaye
Wow I have never heard of having to pay that much if you were actually AT the courthouse to get a xerox copy of one that old. Heck when I go to Haywood County (in NC) they dont even make me pay the 10 cents for using the copy machine. Thats insane
thecohens
I thinks it's how they make up for budget cuts. Genealogists are a prime target and ripe for the picking. sad.gif

They charge for the labor of hunting for the certificate, even if they don't find it. Very expensive hobby for those of us who aren't rich, especially when half the time, the some of the most important data on the form is "unknown".
Shanifaye
Mother and I were talking about this, this weekend. Did you tell them you only wanted a photocopy for genealogy files? Thats what we do and we dont have to pay the full fee
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